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Unfortunately, it was impossible to get anything from the permaculture.info server. Now we run with Ethan's suggestion to recover some of the pages from archive.org (see the [https://web.archive.org/web/20081006170403/http://permaculture.info/ last successful archive of the main page]). Who is interested in making this happen?  
Unfortunately, it was impossible to get anything from the permaculture.info server. Now we run with Ethan's suggestion to recover some of the pages from archive.org (see the [https://web.archive.org/web/20081006170403/http://permaculture.info/ last successful archive of the main page]). Who is interested in making this happen?  


I suggest moving across anything with any lasting value, leaving behind anything to do with the organisation or admin on permaculture.info. (If anyone needs that info, it will still be there on archive.org.) --[[User:Chriswaterguy|Chriswaterguy]] ([[User talk:Chriswaterguy|talk]]) 15:56, 24 November 2014 (PST)
I suggest moving across anything with any lasting value, leaving behind anything to do with the organisation or admin on permaculture.info. (If anyone needs that info, it will still be there on archive.org.) [Edited to add: track pages added [http://piratepad.net/vjX965wvf0 here]. Instructions given on that page. --[[User:Chriswaterguy|Chriswaterguy]] ([[User talk:Chriswaterguy|talk]]) 15:56, 24 November 2014 (PST)

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I think there are two potential types of tool being considered:

My feeling is that Appropedia is fine for the former, but would be hard to do with the latter, which suggests a more specific web app/tool to me. That's where the richer APIs of Freebase or something like that could be more advantageous. Pmackay

Thanks. I'm kind of agnostic on this specific question, but my real interest is in the wiki. If we can have structured data (and we can) then that makes the wiki more awesome, while keeping all the strengths of a wiki, and the strength of an existing community. (It's disturbing at how often some new project comes along saying "Hey, here's an idea - let's build a permaculture wiki!" or something like that. And falls over because making a successful new wiki is harder than they realized.)
I'd like to know specifically what you think might be richer in the Freebase API. That's not meant as a challenge - just wanting to understand. Putting my cards/inclinations on the table and looking for the next step in the analysis. --Chriswaterguy 09:14, 28 March 2012 (PDT)
The Freebase API is pretty comprehensive in being able to query the graph structure of Freebase. I'm not sure I am yet able to say what might be richer, as if we are comparing with the SMW API I dont know enough about that to give a thorough analysis. The pages I've seen about those extensions suggest it is in an alpha state. My thoughts around this are more inclined towards the web tool side of it, something that can be much more dynamic and exploratory. Something more like http://www.growveg.com/. I feel there is lots of text about permaculture (I have a fair collection of books) but more could be done to make it condensed and easier to absorb, particularly for people who aren't permaculturists.
Freebase also has a facility for defining links to other web resources about a topic in a structured way. Perhaps Freebase could be enhanced to include links where relevant to Appropedia topics. I've also thought about this for Plants For A Future entries. Pmackay 11:11, 28 March 2012 (PDT)
IIUC, SMW is considered stable for small to medium wikis (including wikis much bigger than Appropedia) but isn't considered ready for prime time on Wikimedia sites (which range from big to gigantic).
Who would you see using a Freebase permaculture tool? I'm thinking about how intelligible it would be to regular permaculture people with basic computer literacy - I don't know Freebase enough to judge. Another key question is who would join the project, and how the community would develop.
I like the growveg.com concept. At a glance, I'm guessing it's a nicer looking and more graphical UI than SMW could be, & maybe nicer than Freebase.
If we couldn't do the desired interface in SMW, maybe the API would enable a nice external UI to use the structured data from the wiki? --Chriswaterguy 11:56, 28 March 2012 (PDT)
Just to clarify, I wouldnt consider Freebase itself to be a very usable interface, except for basic data entry and checking. Its designed to be a web front end for the database. The tool I'm imagining would need a custom interface to facilitate the kinds of interactions permaculturalists and others might need to do. So to your last point, my question is what API might best suit such a tool and what database/wiki might be best to build the information in :-) Pmackay 14:18, 28 March 2012 (PDT)

Permaculture.info

I'm wondering how far along the merging from permaculture.info got. I'm exploring around it a bit on Archive.org, and it looks like there's a lot of the content left to import. Would it be alright if started importing the pages? Is there a systematic way to go about this? I assume the markup will be about the same, since it uses MediaWiki. --Ethan (talk) 18:37, 6 April 2014 (PDT)

Thanks Ethan!
Update: We had problems with the old database files being corrupted, and volunteer developers not having time to resolve it. We've now got Alex (our new dev) working on this, as well as our merger with Ekopedia.org. I've just emailed her to ask where it is on the to-do list. If we can't recover it, then archive.org is definitely the way to go. Whatever way we do it, we'd love your help.
How about we revisit this in a week? Thanks again. --Chriswaterguy (talk) 20:05, 6 April 2014 (PDT)
Update: we've tried to get more up-to-date backups of the old Permaculture.info server, but it looks like there's nothing there. After we confirm this, Alex will see what can salvage from the files we have, and then I think it will be time to start salvaging pages from archive.org. --Chriswaterguy (talk) 19:08, 25 April 2014 (PDT)

Recovering old permaculture wiki pages from Archive.org

Unfortunately, it was impossible to get anything from the permaculture.info server. Now we run with Ethan's suggestion to recover some of the pages from archive.org (see the last successful archive of the main page). Who is interested in making this happen?

I suggest moving across anything with any lasting value, leaving behind anything to do with the organisation or admin on permaculture.info. (If anyone needs that info, it will still be there on archive.org.) [Edited to add: track pages added here. Instructions given on that page. --Chriswaterguy (talk) 15:56, 24 November 2014 (PST)

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