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== Suitability for Appropedia? == I'm very interested to hear more about what exactly you did - but at the same time I'm not sure it's within the scope of Appropedia. This amounts to original research in medical matters, and we don't have a lot of that expertise in our community (compared to the expertise in public health, which is quite different, and solar, composting, etc). Another issue is that a single case might be very enlightening, but needs more analysis and questioning (e.g. about the initial diagnosis, rate of false positives in the initial test...) before lessons are drawn for the average person. I'd like to make sure you have a place to share this, however, to encourage analysis and discussion. So I won't suggest we delete it now, but rather that we look for a suitable community where it can be shared. Anyone have any ideas? George, I'll wait till you've finished adding details, then ask a couple of medical people for their thoughts. --[[User:Chriswaterguy|Chriswaterguy]] 04:54, 22 September 2009 (UTC) === Already getting in touch with medical people === Hi Chris, Thank you very much for your generosity. I am already on the move to get the thoughts & critical opinions on this matter. Have already collected the contact details of a few. Drafting a letter is in progress. Will be back to you soon. Georgedappilly === E.M.George === These persons have responded elsewhere (Blog/e-mail) & I have copied the text here. Hope they will soon join the discussion here. Some more doctors are also likely to join soon. [[User:Georgedappilly|Shooter]] 11:35, 7 November 2009 (UTC) === Indu-Pappu === George Uncle, Diabetes is a perfect example of a disease condition which you can manage and learn to live with through effective dietery regulations and exercise regime and by making a few life style changes. Well done to you for making the effort, and sharing the results and knowledge which will be an encouragement to many people with the condition. This can be further enhanced by following a few remedies and life style changes recommended by our own indigenous Ayurvedic medicine! Happy to know that you are keeping well. === ankil === dear indu-pappu, Shri george has claimed that he has managed to '''cure''' his diabetes and he is '''not now learning to live with it'''. ''If you are a '''doctor''' , please comment on the '''exact point''' raised''. === Indu-Pappu === I do not think George has been 'cured' of Diabetes. Although it seems to be the case. Too early to tell. He doesnot account for the activity he did between 12.30 and 2pm ie-after the 'Sadya' until his blood test. Variations in blood sugar levels are possible in borderline cases like George's. A longer time of study/ observation under controlled conditions where diet, activities, exercise and lifestyle changes are accounted for needs to be done to CONCLUDE that George has been 'Cured'of Diabetes. === Ankil === Thank you indu-pappu. === Georgedappilly === Thank you for pushing the healthy discussion further forward. Hope it will give good result. === Georgedappilly === Hi Dr Indu-Pappu, Thank you very much for being so clear & straight forward. I am sorry to have omitted the accounting of activity between 12.30 and 2pm. This was resorted to be brief & in fact I didn’t realize that it is so critical. Else it would not have been omitted. Here it is for every one: The marriage & ‘Sadya’ were at RDR Auditorium, Edappazhanjinji, Trivandrum. From there walked up to the Bus Stop, probably hundred meters (100 m) away (or near!). Waited there nearly 3 -4 minutes for a bus to arrive. Got into it and traveled up to Statue bus stop in front of Govt. Secretariat. Got down there, crossed the road, after a few minutes boarded another bus via Kannanmoola - Medical College and alighted at the Medical College High School stop, ie. right in front of the lab. The lab technician asked to wait till 2pm, when I told that I had lunch at 1230 and want to have a PPBS test. Relaxed on the sofa and was called in by 2pm. A photograph of the result sheet is placed at http://traplarva.blogspot.com/2009/09/part-6.html Kindly have a look at the next picture also, which is the lab report of a GTT done subsequently. Please feel free to comment on these. === Indu-Pappu === Hi everybody Looks like George was only a borderline diabetic. Hence he has responded to dietary regulations and Exercise (walking). May be he should not have been labelled a diabetic in the first place without checking for a few months.But I am afraid as a qualified physician I cannot comment whether he is cured or not without a proper controlled study, especially since Diabetes is heriditary and genetically linked. So there is a chance that he might experience variations in the blood sugar levels again in future (God forbid). Therefore it will be irresponsible of me as a physician to say that Diabetes can be cured and give the society false hope. All I can say is that diabetes certainly can be 'managed'.So , George, forgive my hesitation to say that you are cured. But I can assure you that George's experience is not uncommon, glitches like these happen in the body. May be the initial readings have been a glitch . Maybe he should not have been labelled without confirming for a few times. This then raises the issue of how many more are being labelled as diabetics after one or two tests? Should we try dietary regulations first before labelling a person diabetic etc. I am open for discussion. === User:Devasena === HI, Like Ind Pappu said, the doctors should wait for a few days to see how much the blood sugar comes down. MY doctor declared me a diabetic after one test and refused to allow me to try for a few days to bring down the sugar level without drugs, with lifestyle changes.I thought this was bad. You are a good doctor. May the world aound in sensible doctors like you. God bless you! === Dr Suvy Manuel said... === Mr EM george uncles experience regarding his diabetic status is quite interesting. I know him personally and was quite amazed to see his diabetic and non diabetic blood sugar values.The diet pattern put forward by him definitely seems promising and i believe that more controlled clinical studies will be helpful in proving his point. Dr suvy Manuel MDS,DNB,MFDS RCS(Eng),MOS RCS (Ed) === Dr Rajesh Cyriac === Dear George uncle, Happy to hear that u r in good health now...let your case be the stepping stone for intensive research in this field and god willing be a big relief for millions of people around the globe suffering from this illnesss... keep up the good work... === Dr Joe Chirayath === Dear George uncle, * Happy to hear that your sugar levels are under control with the mentioned diet. Sounded interesting and maybe there's something in 'suuji gothambu' that helps. Few things, - Diet control as a treatment modality for diabetes mellitus is a well recognised treatment modality and the diets recommended just vary. One more thing with diabetes is - unlike some other diseases it is difficult to say that it's been cured just with a few normal values. * Under control might be a better terminology (as also once you go back to a normal diet it most likely will come back) - Evidence based medicine has 5 levels of evidence - from multicentre randomised control trials(level 1) to expert opinions (level 5) (details can be obtained by a google search). * Single patient outcomes unfortunately don't count in evidence based studies unless a big study is done on it. - Few more details might make this more interesting for someone to consider taking it forward as a study- what has 'suuji gothambu' in it that makes it work (an explanation as to whether it has a special role in glucose absoption/metabolism/excretion ) compared to other diet modalities. Regards, Joe === Hi Ankil, Indu Pappu, Dr. Suvy Manuel, Dr. Joe & Dr. Rajesh, === I am glad that you all have responded to my blog-post/mail. Anticipating your permission I copied the text from blog &/or mail to the Appropedia.org/Diabetes_mellitus_cured's discussion page. May I take this opportunity to ''invite once again you and all'' those interested in the cure of diabetes & well-being of our society to join hands here and scientifically prove the FACT that diabetes is curable. ==== One can join the discussion in different ways. ==== # As an anonymous person: Visit any page of your choice in [[Welcome_to_Appropedia|Appropedia.org]] by entering its addeess at the address bar of your browser. {for example (eg:) [[Talk:GEM_mosquito_control|click here to go to Talk/discussion page]] attached to the [[GEM_mosquito_control|GEM_mosquito_control]] page. Then click the '''edit''' link (preferably the last -bottom most- one at the right margin). Then the edit window will open up. Type in or paste your text below the existing text in the white background portion. 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